Reblogs, redux
Jan. 6th, 2019 09:30 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I added a bit to my "DW for tumblrites" post about reblogs as I see formatting and other social norms establish themselves over the past week or two. Here's some of what I added:
[Framing the concept of "reblogging"]
Before we get into the meat of "alternatives to reblogging," I want to point out that DW has a culture that is centered around privacy and control of content, so be very mindful that most people are writing things here *not* intended for tumblr-style reblogging, and in fact, many posts are designed to be protected, not shared.
That said, reblogging is a core way people interact on tumblr, so let's start by figure out *why* our fingers itch to hit the "reblog" button:
To save something so you can find it later:
Use Memories and tag it. (See above)
To add to the conversation:
- Click "Reply", and type up a quick comment! DW automatically emails you if someone responds to your comment, and you can actually reply to that email to automatically add to the comment thread. (I love comment threading so much)
- It's *totally okay* to comment on other people's comment threads! If you see an interesting comment, you can add on to it, the way if you see an interesting post, you'd reblog and add on to it.
- If there's already a large number of comments on that post, I suggest middle-clicking on that post to open it up in a new tab and read through existing comment threads.
To share a cool thing with your followers:
Pop a link into a blank post, write a quick blurb, and post it. That link could be to a post, an external page that someone shared, or to a specific comment thread or tag. The key here, for me, is that it's (a) fast, and (b) short.
Format would be: [user] made [a post about blah].
Here's how the html would look:
<user name="USERNAME"> made <a href="POST LINK">a post about blah</a>.
To add to a conversation AND share it at the same time
On tumblr, the solution is to reblog and add to the bottom. This leads to a lot of Dash filler if it's an active conversation. On DW, I think we're fortunate in that there's more of a choice:
- You can comment on a post and then post a link to that comment thread.
- You can link to the original post and write your response on your own blog, and then share a link to your post in the comments of the original post.
I think I prefer linking to a comment thread if I want to be part of the same conversation. But if it's something that is a few steps removed from the original post, and also something that I want to start my own conversation on my own blog, I'd use the latter.
Formatting "reblogs"
For about 90% of the time, I think a quick "[user] made a post about blah: [link]" is sufficient. However, sometimes you may want to include a snippet of someone's post in your reblog post -- maybe to highlight a particular point that you want to point people to.
shy_magpie suggested a way of formatting reblogs, which is basically putting the quoted snippet in a <blockquote> tag.
Here is an example of what it looks like:
potofsoup, in her Likes and Reblogs post, said:
Be mindful that many people don't want their posts quoted, especially ones intended for a private audience. So before including a snippet, consider a few things:
- Is the post private? (there's a little lock icon next to the title of the post) If so, don't share any part of it
- Is the content of the post personal? If so, it's probably not intended for a wider audience.
- Are you still directing people to the original post and the comment threads there?
- Is your snippet short enough to count as "fair use", or can it be seen as you're stealing other people's content wholesale and reposting? (Even if you provide a link back, it's still reposting.)
- Instead of quoting a snippet and adding on, can the same thing be achieved by linking to the comment thread with a short blurb about what you said?
I'm a tumblr-ite so you have blanket permission for me, but when in doubt, double-check!!
Reblog starter snippet
You can help facilitate link-share style "reblogs" by providing some pre-formatted text snippet for people to copy-paste into their post. Anything enclosed in a creating a <textarea> like above is raw code, which people can then copy-paste into their post and then edit/append their own blurb.
Here's the formatting again: <user name="USERNAME"> made <a href="POST LINK">a post about blah</a>
It feels weird to pre-include the post snippet that you want people to reblog, so... maybe not?
I'm currently undecided about images. On the one hand, I want more images on my dash/reading page. On the other hand, it's basically reposting my work.
Keep in mind that these "reblogs" *are* editable, so we're dependent on social norms to make sure things aren't mis-attributed.
If your reblogger want to help facilitate the spread of your post, they can simply paste the reblog snippet a second time and put it inside another <textarea> </textarea>.
Notifying and tagging reblogs
One thing that's I miss is knowing that someone reblogged my stuff. What I've been doing is leaving a comment on the person's post that I'm reblogging it, and linking to the reblogged post if possible.
[edit 1: I was wondering why
shy_magpie wanted to use dd and dt tags instead of blockquotes, and it turned out they didn't know about blockquotes! so I changed it to be blockquotes instead, and changed the link to their new post about it.]
[edit 2: edited the original post better highlight respect for privacy and existing comment norms, and copy-pasted the changes here.]
Reblog starter snippet:
[Edit: Thanks for everyone's comments! I need to focus on RL and other projects, so I'll be ignoring comments on this post for a while. Thanks for understanding!]
[Framing the concept of "reblogging"]
Before we get into the meat of "alternatives to reblogging," I want to point out that DW has a culture that is centered around privacy and control of content, so be very mindful that most people are writing things here *not* intended for tumblr-style reblogging, and in fact, many posts are designed to be protected, not shared.
That said, reblogging is a core way people interact on tumblr, so let's start by figure out *why* our fingers itch to hit the "reblog" button:
To save something so you can find it later:
Use Memories and tag it. (See above)
To add to the conversation:
- Click "Reply", and type up a quick comment! DW automatically emails you if someone responds to your comment, and you can actually reply to that email to automatically add to the comment thread. (I love comment threading so much)
- It's *totally okay* to comment on other people's comment threads! If you see an interesting comment, you can add on to it, the way if you see an interesting post, you'd reblog and add on to it.
- If there's already a large number of comments on that post, I suggest middle-clicking on that post to open it up in a new tab and read through existing comment threads.
To share a cool thing with your followers:
Pop a link into a blank post, write a quick blurb, and post it. That link could be to a post, an external page that someone shared, or to a specific comment thread or tag. The key here, for me, is that it's (a) fast, and (b) short.
Format would be: [user] made [a post about blah].
Here's how the html would look:
<user name="USERNAME"> made <a href="POST LINK">a post about blah</a>.
To add to a conversation AND share it at the same time
On tumblr, the solution is to reblog and add to the bottom. This leads to a lot of Dash filler if it's an active conversation. On DW, I think we're fortunate in that there's more of a choice:
- You can comment on a post and then post a link to that comment thread.
- You can link to the original post and write your response on your own blog, and then share a link to your post in the comments of the original post.
I think I prefer linking to a comment thread if I want to be part of the same conversation. But if it's something that is a few steps removed from the original post, and also something that I want to start my own conversation on my own blog, I'd use the latter.
Formatting "reblogs"
For about 90% of the time, I think a quick "[user] made a post about blah: [link]" is sufficient. However, sometimes you may want to include a snippet of someone's post in your reblog post -- maybe to highlight a particular point that you want to point people to.
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Here is an example of what it looks like:
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
blah di blah blah blah(note: blockquotes show up differently on different styles, so don't rely on it always looking the same)
Be mindful that many people don't want their posts quoted, especially ones intended for a private audience. So before including a snippet, consider a few things:
- Is the post private? (there's a little lock icon next to the title of the post) If so, don't share any part of it
- Is the content of the post personal? If so, it's probably not intended for a wider audience.
- Are you still directing people to the original post and the comment threads there?
- Is your snippet short enough to count as "fair use", or can it be seen as you're stealing other people's content wholesale and reposting? (Even if you provide a link back, it's still reposting.)
- Instead of quoting a snippet and adding on, can the same thing be achieved by linking to the comment thread with a short blurb about what you said?
I'm a tumblr-ite so you have blanket permission for me, but when in doubt, double-check!!
Reblog starter snippet
You can help facilitate link-share style "reblogs" by providing some pre-formatted text snippet for people to copy-paste into their post. Anything enclosed in a creating a <textarea> like above is raw code, which people can then copy-paste into their post and then edit/append their own blurb.
If your reblogger want to help facilitate the spread of your post, they can simply paste the reblog snippet a second time and put it inside another <textarea> </textarea>.
Notifying and tagging reblogs
One thing that's I miss is knowing that someone reblogged my stuff. What I've been doing is leaving a comment on the person's post that I'm reblogging it, and linking to the reblogged post if possible.
[edit 1: I was wondering why
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
[edit 2: edited the original post better highlight respect for privacy and existing comment norms, and copy-pasted the changes here.]
Reblog starter snippet:
[Edit: Thanks for everyone's comments! I need to focus on RL and other projects, so I'll be ignoring comments on this post for a while. Thanks for understanding!]
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Date: 2019-01-08 08:24 pm (UTC)haha, I think the actual answer is "shitposts go to twitter" XD;;;
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Date: 2019-01-07 06:24 pm (UTC)Can't wait to try this out later, lmao, probably on this post in particular! Haha
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Date: 2019-01-08 07:52 pm (UTC)Thank you for responding.
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Date: 2019-01-08 05:07 am (UTC)https://the-great-tumblr-purge.dreamwidth.org/77386.html
ETA: I don't want to be in here jumping up and down at new ideas from tumblr, old woman yells at clouds style, but reblogging large sections of text from DW users without permission will probably get you banned by those users. Just a link and maaaaybe a short quote, fine. Whole sections of posts, very against the culture here.
ETA: I've done a post about this: https://muccamukk.dreamwidth.org/1183402.html
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Date: 2019-01-08 10:30 am (UTC)thanks for the post link. I only feel slightly maligned since I feel like I spent half of this post being like "guyz, just post a link and a blurb", and the other half being like "I've seen people make reblog chains in this way, but maybe consider why you're doing it?" But maybe it's not obvious enough that that's what I'm doing when I'm addressing a tumblr audience this way, so I'll try to make it even more obvious tomorrow.
In the meantime, I also made a post, woo: https://potofsoup.dreamwidth.org/19785.html
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Date: 2019-01-08 03:30 pm (UTC)If you just mean "I could post a link!" that's one thing, but please note how really, really ANGRY the long-term users of the site are at the concept of having content reposted.
I genuinely appreciate all the work you're putting in to make this site more friendly and more usable, but I think this one thing is going to cause conflict, and there doesn't need to be conflict.
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Date: 2019-01-08 05:06 pm (UTC)yeah, that's a good point. This is a snippet from a post which was specifically talking about reblogging alternatives, which is one of the reasons why I called it reblogging. Although I also think there is a very clear difference between reblogging and reposting, and it's something that I had to learn while on tumblr. I'll try to make things clearer in these posts, since we are actually not in much disagreement at all.
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Date: 2019-01-08 06:39 pm (UTC)The main issue about privacy is with this point in your original post:
"However, sometimes you may want to include a snippet of someone's post in your reblog post -- maybe to highlight a particular point"
which on DW just isn't done without permission, ever. You don't even mention that a post *exists* unless the OP gave you permission to talk about it outside of the lock (that is, if the post is not public).
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Date: 2019-01-08 07:34 pm (UTC)ah, okay. Just to clarify, if the post is public, I don't need the poster's permission, right?
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Date: 2019-01-08 08:04 pm (UTC)DW is really about you as a person engaging with fandom. Your blog is how you want it. Some people will never want anything reposted/reblogged but others will be fine with it. The only way to know is to find out from the person.
I could see Tumblr culture shifting this idea, but I would expect a lot of resistance from the "old guard" to changing the social norms they've been using for a few decades.
Of course, people will discuss any public posts all they like in their own space. But reposting content is a different beast.
Currently, basically, to figure it out you interact with the person and ask or read it on their posts/profile. Yeah, pretty much every single user. It is what makes DW different from Tumblr (and appealing to people who are using it, rather than being a minus). You need to engage with the person to find out what they want.
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Date: 2019-01-08 08:27 pm (UTC)::nodnod:: Well, I feel like a lot of it is actually pretty similar and based more on general societal norms. Like, I'd totally ask for permission for public posts that seem very personal. One thing about tumblr that I miss here, is the profile blurb that shows on hover-over of the usericon. Whereas here I have to visit the blog and read the profile or intro post (which sometimes isn't up-to-date). I appreciate the whole engaging with the person thing, I just wish some things involved less clicking. ::shrug::
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Date: 2019-01-08 08:48 pm (UTC)I definitely understand the benefits Tumblr offers (I've started to begrudgingly use it about 4 years ago and it's grown on me...like a fungus...) and I would love to figure out ways to make DW onboard the good parts somehow.
But there are things that DW is just better at, and the userbase is going to feel very protective of them. For example, granular privacy levels is one of those things people either don't care about or feel strongly about, I think.
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Date: 2019-01-08 05:21 am (UTC)It's such an awesome thing for you to do, so I'd like to just give you my thanks. And if I ever get ambitious enough, with enough time to get more involved, I will definitely be back to look at all the hard work you put into making it easier to use DW.
Thanks again! <3
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Date: 2019-01-08 07:53 pm (UTC)So that I know someone has reblogged something and I can go to see their additional comments. :)
If you replace the word "reblog" here with the phrase "sharing links", would the post still be as frustrating? That's basically what I'm talking about, just in the language of "reblogs", since the audience of the original post that I'm excerpting from are people who are far more familiar with the idea of "reblogs"
> It sounds to me like people who want reblog culture and are impatient that Pillowfort isn't open are trying to implement it at DW.
::shrug:: people who really want reblog culture and shitposts are on Twitter, tbqh. I just want something that makes sharing and pimping of links easier, and on a daily basis instead of on a weekly or monthly basis. That would definitely be an improvement for my personal Reading Page, but hey, YMMV, and that's what privacy and access locks are for, right? I'm not going to be reblogging/sharing other people's private or personal posts, nor will I be quoting entire posts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Date: 2019-01-08 10:48 am (UTC)anyway, I've edited the post. sorry if you got a lot of unexpected attention from all this!
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